[cross-posted to the Complexity Theory tribe]
Research at the Santa Fe institute supports a social dynamic theory that I have long suspected - key large-scale decisions are governed by control parameters that do not include rational reflection.
A depressing prospect for the Humanist, but how else can you explain the recent elections in the US?
From:
www.newscientist.com/article.ns
'Zero intelligence' trading closely mimics stock market
Katharine Davis
A model that assumes stock market traders have zero intelligence has been found to mimic the behaviour of the London Stock Exchange very closely.
However, the surprising result does not mean traders are actually just buying and selling at random, say researchers. Instead, it suggests that the movement of markets depend less on the strategic behaviour of traders and more on the structure and constraints of the trading system itself.
The research, led by J Doyne Farmer and his colleagues at the Santa Fe Institute, New Mexico, US, say the finding could be used to identify ways to lower volatility in the stock markets and reduce transaction costs, both of which would benefit small investors and perhaps bigger investors too.
A spokesperson for the London Stock Exchange says: "It's an interesting bit of work that mirrors things we're looking at ourselves."
Most models of financial markets start with the assumption that traders act rationally and have access to all the information they need. The models are then tweaked to take into account that these assumptions are not always entirely true.
But Farmer and his colleagues took a different approach. "We begin with random agents," he says. "The model was idealised, but nonetheless we still thought it might match some of the properties of real markets."
Buying and selling
In the model, agents with zero intelligence place random orders to buy and sell stocks at a given price. If an order to sell is lower than the highest buy price in the system, the transaction will take place and the order will be removed - a market order. If the sell order is higher than the highest buy price, it will stay in the system until a matching buy order is found - a limit order. For example, if the highest order to buy a stock is $10, limit orders to sell will be above $10 and market orders to sell will be below $10.
The team used the model to examine two important characteristics of financial markets. These were the spread - the price difference between the best buy and sell limit orders - and the price diffusion rate - a standard measure of risk that looks at how quickly the price changes and by how much.
The model was tested against London Stock Exchange data on 11 real stocks collected over 21 months - 6 million buy and sell orders. It predicted 96% of the spread variance and 76% of the variance in the price diffusion rate. The model also showed that increasing the number of market orders increased price volatility because there are then fewer limit orders to match up with each other.
Incentives and charges
The observation could be useful in the real financial markets. "If it is considered socially desirable to lower volatility, this can be done by giving incentives for people who place limit orders, and charging the people who place market orders," Farmer says.
Some amount of volatility is important, because prices should reflect any new information, but many observers believe there is more volatility than there should be. "On one day the prices of US stock dropped 20% on no apparent news," says Farmer. "High volatility makes people jittery and sours the investment climate." It also creates a high spread, which can make it more expensive to trade in shares.
The London Stock Exchange already has a charging structure in place that encourages limit orders. "Limit orders are a good way for smaller investors to trade on the order book," says a spokesperson.
Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0409157102)
Research at the Santa Fe institute supports a social dynamic theory that I have long suspected - key large-scale decisions are governed by control parameters that do not include rational reflection.
A depressing prospect for the Humanist, but how else can you explain the recent elections in the US?
From:
www.newscientist.com/article.ns
'Zero intelligence' trading closely mimics stock market
Katharine Davis
A model that assumes stock market traders have zero intelligence has been found to mimic the behaviour of the London Stock Exchange very closely.
However, the surprising result does not mean traders are actually just buying and selling at random, say researchers. Instead, it suggests that the movement of markets depend less on the strategic behaviour of traders and more on the structure and constraints of the trading system itself.
The research, led by J Doyne Farmer and his colleagues at the Santa Fe Institute, New Mexico, US, say the finding could be used to identify ways to lower volatility in the stock markets and reduce transaction costs, both of which would benefit small investors and perhaps bigger investors too.
A spokesperson for the London Stock Exchange says: "It's an interesting bit of work that mirrors things we're looking at ourselves."
Most models of financial markets start with the assumption that traders act rationally and have access to all the information they need. The models are then tweaked to take into account that these assumptions are not always entirely true.
But Farmer and his colleagues took a different approach. "We begin with random agents," he says. "The model was idealised, but nonetheless we still thought it might match some of the properties of real markets."
Buying and selling
In the model, agents with zero intelligence place random orders to buy and sell stocks at a given price. If an order to sell is lower than the highest buy price in the system, the transaction will take place and the order will be removed - a market order. If the sell order is higher than the highest buy price, it will stay in the system until a matching buy order is found - a limit order. For example, if the highest order to buy a stock is $10, limit orders to sell will be above $10 and market orders to sell will be below $10.
The team used the model to examine two important characteristics of financial markets. These were the spread - the price difference between the best buy and sell limit orders - and the price diffusion rate - a standard measure of risk that looks at how quickly the price changes and by how much.
The model was tested against London Stock Exchange data on 11 real stocks collected over 21 months - 6 million buy and sell orders. It predicted 96% of the spread variance and 76% of the variance in the price diffusion rate. The model also showed that increasing the number of market orders increased price volatility because there are then fewer limit orders to match up with each other.
Incentives and charges
The observation could be useful in the real financial markets. "If it is considered socially desirable to lower volatility, this can be done by giving incentives for people who place limit orders, and charging the people who place market orders," Farmer says.
Some amount of volatility is important, because prices should reflect any new information, but many observers believe there is more volatility than there should be. "On one day the prices of US stock dropped 20% on no apparent news," says Farmer. "High volatility makes people jittery and sours the investment climate." It also creates a high spread, which can make it more expensive to trade in shares.
The London Stock Exchange already has a charging structure in place that encourages limit orders. "Limit orders are a good way for smaller investors to trade on the order book," says a spokesperson.
Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.0409157102)
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"Instead, it suggests that the movement of markets depend less on the strategic behaviour of traders and more on the structure and constraints of the trading system itself."
I think this is even more true than the author of the story understands. We're seeing the same structures in financial markets that we see in other types of networks - that's right, our friend the power-law tail. For example, take a look aty these papers:
Power Law Tails in the Italian Personal Income Distribution
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/817
Dynamics of Money and Income Distributions
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/745
Hollywood blockbusters and long-tailed distributions: An empirical study of the popularity of movies
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/624
Herd Behaviors in Financial Markets
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/489
Increasing Returns to Scale, Dynamics of Industrial Structure and Size Distribution of Firms
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/658
Innovation flow through social networks: Productivity distribution
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/716
That last one's a doozy, BTW. They analyzed the combined economy of Europe over the course of a decade (using this enormous database named Amadeus, containing the data of 6 million firms) & found a direct causal relationship between the connectivity of a corporation & its ability to innovate & increase efficiency. Basically it lays the foundation for what I've been talking about, a restructuring of society around self-organized structures, using open source methods.
Anyway, the point is, the fact that these structures are everywhere is not a coincidence. Well, they're almost everywhere. Here's one paper that goes against the grain:
Evidence for the Independence of Waged and Unwaged Income, Evidence for Boltzmann Distributions in Waged Income, and the Outlines of a Coherent Theory of Income Distribution
www.citeulike.org/user/nett...rticle/618
Basically it says that in the US, there's a discontinuity in the distribution of income when compared to the UK & Japan. What it boils down to is that people at the upper reaches of the income scale, who rely mostly on investments rather than wages, are playing a completely different game than the rest of us. Their economics have nothing to do with ours. Basically they've set up a system that favors them exclusively, through tax & investment laws & other dodges (well, tha paper doesn't go so far as to claim that last part, but it's an obvious conclusion).
Well I've ranged pretty far from my original point, or maybe I haven't. The results you can expect from financial systems are determined by the structural rules you use to create them. Unfortunately we've allowed the interestes of an elite few overrule the interests of society as a whole in this country. Let's hope we can figure out how to undo that before too long.
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Absolutely, Tim, and what I think is interesting is that the very connectivity which allows this self-structuring, essentialy metagenetic social structure- so crucial to a productive """free market""" economy- by nature facilitates the flow of information throughout the culturo-neural environment. Consequently, the absurdity of the archaic heirarchical economic order becomes increasingly apparant to those in this "upper level economy" game. Coping mechanisms vary, but what is hopeful is that the creative individuals necesarry for the progression and acceleration of the system possess catagorically the kind of inquisitive mind which facilitates universal compassion- though a fair number find it easier to embrace the collective insanity. However, I think we will find that their very own antiquated darwinian principles will apply to their loss of control- as globalism is (hopefully) subdued and understood, as the proverbial masses proverbially awaken, the dysjunct between what is obviously good for people and what the ruling elite continue to perpetuate will slowly render the indoctrinated core more and more alienated. The happy ending is they just kind of fade into some little royalty job that doesn't pull all the strings anymore but is allowed to believe they do. The unhappy ending has a lot to do with orwell and isn't really worth going into, other than to say that the media-weapon must be made an object of open dialogue, more so than it is now.
Yes, well, sorry to talk in curves like that, you know how I get, Tim. To hiti back on the tonic here, I guess I just hope what we're looking at is the emergence of complex cultural life, and not just another layer of manipulation. zero-int is a rad theory, and it has a lot to say about the dynamics of constraint in a massive and recursive information structure, but remember that people themselves are complex, and approximations are only as accurate as their sample group. -
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You're more optimistic than I am, tandem. I've more or less given up on the possibilitiy that "the proverbial masses [will] proverbially awaken", or that such a thing is even meaningful. I am beginning to believe that social consensus is no more rational than the weather.
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Interesting comparison - would you say that it's also no LESS rational than the weather?
There are small- and large-scale patterns that are readily comprehensible. There are models with good descriptive and predictive properties, but it would be foolish to put complete faith in the forecast. There are patterns that we KNOW to be unpredictable... and yet few would thus conclude that we can't trust the sun to rise tomorrow. -
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I'm making more of an anti-humanist argument here than an argument about predictability. I am evaluating of the capacity of human populations to make rational consensual decisions. The evidence is accumulating overwhelmingly that by and large humans are extremely irrational creatures, yet our usual narrative suggests people voted this way or that because of an essentially rational process.
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Sure, sure. I'm not saying there's some quiant ol' oversoul guiding our little new-age baby metamind into the glistening marketing utopia of tomorrow. But I think there is a difference between zero and a number so big it might as well be. I mean, I think we should consider the fact that in massive, connective systems, emergent phenomena are the rule. Human beings may be completely ill equiped for global society, but global society isn't really about human beings any more. I mean, when was the last time you got a hug from a major corporation? What I'm saying, is that I honestly think it will become obviously profitable to the people whose decisions are imbued with an exponentially increasing level of "power," to generate societal stability in one form or another. Now, I'm just *hoping* the reaction falls on the good side of the utopia/dystopia coin, but there is an accelleration, regardless. Yes, human beings change little, but the same is true for cells, and yet we see that the self-modification process has yeilded not only amazing complexity, but also the ability to perpetuate for billions of years. I'll join your anti-humanist pow-wow, but I think there is something other than human involved in the formation of social order, and I think has more to do with memetics than a newtonian zero-point model of people as atoms in a gas, though the state-change metaphor is poignant.
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> What I'm saying, is that I honestly think it will become obviously profitable to the people whose decisions are imbued with an exponentially increasing level of "power," to generate societal stability in one form or another.
As it so happens, I was just reading a neo-Marxist critique of the German economy by the Frankfurt school earlier today, and they made a similar argument. In their view, the door to Nazi fascism was openned wide by the tight coupling of all levels of the German economy to one-another. That made the social order extremely sensitive to perturbation.
And this, indeed, is the real heart of my interest in this matter. Is it possible for us to rationally direct the course of social evolution? Or does society evolve as a purely mechanical unfolding of adaptive constraint? Obviously, reason is inside the system, but does rational reflection have causal efficacy? -
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Right, it's the ol' god-as-cage metaphor or whatever.
First off, lets ditch the mechanical thing, because what we're really talking about is determinism, and we all know that's one of *those* arguments. I think we have to accept the illusion of free will as a society as much as we do as people.
Whether theres some guiding geometry inherent in the structure of our universe, or whether shit just happens and people go nuts trying to explain it, well I think the answer to all those kinds of questions is a little of both, and/or neither.
It gets right to the heart of what I've kinda been pointing at- I think we've seen that, really, understanding the world gives us control, or the illusion thereof, of it. So, I think we have a good thing going, in that power is generated by consciousness, or at least appears to be from the perspective of consciousness. -
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.> First off, lets ditch the mechanical thing, because what we're really talking about is determinism, and we all know that's one of *those* arguments. I think we have to accept the illusion of free will as a society as much as we do as people.
Actually, my question is considerably more nuanced than the ole' free will/determinism debate. I am asking if rationality has a role in shaping the course of social evolution, which is not the same question at all. The bottom line is, what is worth doing as a strategy of resistance? Will training people in critical thinking help?
It's perplexing ot me that in the last US election so many people voted directly against their economic interests. What were they voting for? -
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Ah, right. Sorry to aggresively generalize.
I would say that it has a very significant role, in that it seems to increase the energy of the system, if nothing else. Rationality is required, not necessarily for the formation of social order, but for the technological advance that makes the massive changes our society is undergoing possible. Whether or not the use of "rationality" to "progress" society will cause a progression of rationality, or anything else we percieve as good, is a self-modifying question. I think it is clear though, the relationship between rational thought and social change.
In terms of resistance strategy, I suppose I'm a little unclear as to what it is we're resisting. I think training people to think critically is a worthwhile endeavor, if you can avoid the whole "You are all individuals. We are all individuals" thing. I mean, I think it has to do with teasing out a since of amazement at existence in general, and a desire to understand. It seems that once people begin actively questioning on a recursive level, they come to similar tentative conclusions, regardless of social context. Which is interesting, seeing as how indoctrination operates similarly, but oppositely.
First off, the last U.S. election happened a long time ago. The farce we were captive audience to last year was so blatantly rigged, only the tidal wave of theomystical terror culture made it seem possible.
I think it comes down to the fact that our social system is not designed with the enlightenment of the population in mind, for very clear reasons of control. A poor man will vote for (and more importanly, support through interaction with society) a figure out of fear before understanding, partly because the poor man has no faith in his understanding. Fear is it's own faith. The poor man is immersed in a culture of survival, and is convinced through a massive homogenaculture distribution network that the only way out is through hard work, loyalty, etc... and doesn't have much time to think one way or another.
What I'm getting at is that, as our ability to manipulate our environment crosses a critical threshold, it will become apparant to the operaters of this media/industrial apparatus that consent is increasingly difficult to manufacture, and that it yields negligable rewards. A society of oppressed, complicit peasantry, eager for work and war, was an excellent model for colonial nationalism of yor. However, in an information society, work can be automated, and war is obviously dumb. As more becomes automated and obvious, I think we will see a direct conflict between the twin directives of the oligarchical meme system, namely growth and control. I think we are seeing the beginings of this division now, specifically in the "green economy" cultural upwelling and the resurgence of fundamentalism.
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>It's perplexing ot me that in the last US election so many people
>voted directly against their economic interests. What were they
>voting for?
You are making two mistakes. One is to assume that "economic interests" *should* be people's primary voting determinant. The other is to assume that anyone below a certain income voting for the Republicans (or other generally pro-capitalist parties in other countries) is voting against their own economic self-interest - in other words, believing the socialists' election propaganda as verified truth.
The class-war metaphor that socialists (and through osmosis, social democrats like the Democratic Party in the US) use for describing economic relations in a capitalist society is FALSE TO FACT. In fact, the interests of employees are in many cases similar to those of their employers. The vast majority of American workers do not perceive any need for increased bargaining power relative to their employers, else the private-sector union membership rate wouldn't be in secular decline. Having obtained through the political process a bargaining position with their employers they see as comfortable, policies which help employers will generally help employees, as they will be able to extract about the same share of additional revenue as they do of current revenue.
Also, many "working class" Americans are owners of significant assets, and perceive "class conflict" policies as detrimental to their ability to retain their assets - a not wholly unjustified attitude, as the really rich can afford to spend some money to protect the rest, while the individual homeowner, small business owner or small investor is powerless against government policy changes.
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And yet the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I hate to bring it down to cliche oversimplifications, but I think it's kind of a salient fact.
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No, it isn't. Most people aren't the kind of "poor" that's been getting poorer.
Most people are somewhere in the middle, and the middle has been doing ok. Certainly, the middle class is a little more squeezed than it has been, but that's because the second SUV and Christian school tuition and the 50" TV and the annual vacation to Yellowstone and the cancer surgery that saved grandma's life cost money, and the middle didn't have those things 20 years ago.
The San Francisco Bay Area, and other very liberal urban areas have bifurcated economically, because of the relentless housing inflation caused by growth control. But in the rest of the country, houses are affordable, there is a middle class, most people own their own home, and don't see themselves as poor just because their house is only worth $200,000. -
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Right, but I think that the very process by which we define "wealth" is defined by the commodity imperitive. Now, I was under the impression that the middle class was shrinking, but I'm willing to assume that's a misunderstanding for the sake of argument.
What I think is the central issue here is that the economic policy enabling this "free market" solution depends on global resource manipulation, and so it seems a little short-sighted to espouse the material benefits it affords gentrified american society, when the exploitation of developing nations remains the flagship of the "ownership society." I hate to criticise your sense of context, but nationalism is so 20th century. -
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Anthony, I'll go on the record now and say I'm not crazy about your brash, arrogant, and dismissive communcation style, and I doubt we'll ever have a constructive dialog. Be that as it may, I will say:
"You are making two mistakes. One is to assume that "economic interests" *should* be people's primary voting determinant."
It appears that you are the one making a mistake, since I said no such thing.
"The other is to assume that anyone below a certain income voting for the Republicans (or other generally pro-capitalist parties in other countries) is voting against their own economic self-interest"
Silly me! I forgot that massive tax cuts for the ultra-rich, which translate directly into an impoverished civil infrastucture, are actually in the interests of the working class! I'll remember that as I watch schools across the country continue to loose funding. -
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You call me brash and arrogant? When you don't bother to reply to the substance of my argument, but rather toss out a one-line cliche which illustrates nothing? It's more communicative than your previous reply, but you seem to be a caricature of the liberal who _can't_ understand that not everyone shares the same values or sees the world the same way.
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I don't understand how an interpretation of experiences as indicating a particular social organization to be negativly affecting the lives of most is a failure to comprehend the necessity for plurality. Indeed, it seems like the free-market principles you seem to be subtextually endorsing are themselves unacknoledging of human subjectivity, most significantly in the relentless commoditization which is central to the concept of market growth.
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As much as I love yet another rehash of "liberal v. conservative", this is not the place for it. Instead, let's use the opportunity to see if we can make some headway on self organization. I'm declaring this thread closed & opening a new one, "self organized deliberation".
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>you seem to be a caricature of the liberal who _can't_ understand that not everyone shares the same values or sees the world the same way
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It is crashingly obvious that you entered this discussion with a number of aggressive, putative assumptions about who I am and what I believe. You know nothing about me, but rather than give me the benefit of the doubt, you attack strawman arguments that you ascribe to me on the basis of your knee-jerk assumptions about what I believe. -
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And with all due respect, Tim, the issue that I see is not liberal versus conservative, it's whether people are free to post on this tribe without being chariacatured and attacked. If whatshisname wants to debate me on issues, I'm prepared to defend my positions. What I will not abide is contemptuous dismissal on the basis of views I do not hold.
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I entered this discussion at the point where you made a political statement:
"so many people voted directly against their economic interests"
That's a statement almost always made by people on the economic left who believe that a) people ought to place their economic interests above other interests, and b) that social-democratic to socialist policies are in the economic interests of a majority of people. I challenged you on both those assumptions, or rather, on the first assumption directly, and on the idea that most people believe that social-democratic to socialist economic policies are actually in their interest.
While it is possible that someone making a statement like the one I quoted you on does not believe in points a) and b) above, it's awfully rare.
Your reply was "uh-huh". Later, you deigned to reply in words, where you said that I was not representing your position accurately, then you demonstrated that I was, by parroting leftist cliches about people's interests, rather than trying to address my points that people who aren't rich do percieve capitalist policies to be in their interests, and that they are correct to do so.
Tandem at least tried to address the issues I raised, and though I disagree with his essentially marxist line of thought, he also attempted to keep the discussion somewhat related to "self-organization".
I'm not interested in discussing the market economy in marxist terms, especially here, as the idea of self-organization provides a rather more interesting perspective on the market than do the 19th century cliches of marxism, and I'm not interested in being condescended to by someone who makes no effort to address the issue when challenged, but instead resorts to sneers and ad-hominem attacks.
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